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Subject: Trance Drums
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Original Message 1/13 05-Jun-00 @ 12:35 PM - Trance Drums
Steve
Message 2/13 09-Jun-00 @ 07:06 AM - RE: Trance Drums
The snares are layered snares, you have the initial 909 type punch snare at the begining then the tail has the extra length that gives the snare its drive, oh shit this makes no sense, it sounded good in my head right?
Basically try and make snares that no "Dsh" at the beginning then an extra "shh" at the end, they can also be compressed (ratio 5, attack 5, release 80-100)to give them the sort of breathing effect......
Message 4/13 09-Jun-00 @ 09:44 AM - RE: Trance Drums
Message 5/13 09-Jun-00 @ 09:52 AM - RE: Trance Drums
steve
Message 6/13 09-Jun-00 @ 06:51 PM - RE: Trance Drums
In Cubase I think it would be a heay shuffle, basically it's the classic house pattern, but used in Progressive House/Euro Trance at a slightly faster Tempo.
Message 7/13 10-Jun-00 @ 07:40 AM - RE: Trance Drums
Also don't forget delay, try having subtle rhythmic delays on bass sounds (subtle as in its not prominent but you know it's there)
Thirdly and finally its all down to percussion.
Message 8/13 13-Jun-00 @ 09:18 PM - RE: Trance Drums
do you really mean the snare is actually off on the 2,4.. or that there is some other grace snare notes before or after the 2/4 beats?, like a shuffle or swing or something to the beats ??.., they use lots of different beats, a real braod cross section with lots of different fx on tracks, and there's sometimes rimshots and claps layered in eq's underpatterns reinforcing the kis and snares, plus other samples, with reverb fx on sometimes, delay feedback fx , layered beats like on 'Superstring' which has got like a layered samba-type pattern etc, there's delays at work sometimes subtley on kiks....
but if you mean the snares are just dropped on the 2 and 4 behind the beat, i cant hear that on any sasha/digweed comps ive heard it's smak on the beat to me...
Message 9/13 15-Jun-00 @ 05:35 PM - RE: Trance Drums
I think the point about Sasha and Digweed's style is that it sort of has a groove, whereas trance tends to be more mechanical.
Message 10/13 16-Jun-00 @ 02:20 AM - RE: Trance Drums
house/trance grooves often have a snare/clap on the beat, as well as a little clap/rim/snare/whatever juuust before the beat. you get use a 16F for that (i think, will have to try it). sounds almost like a flam.
Message 11/13 16-Jun-00 @ 07:45 AM - RE: Trance Drums
Most trance music was created on an MPC3000 and the quantisation used was THE UNMISTAKABLE akai slight shuffle, but it was VERY SLIGHT, now the illision that i'm trying to explain that i think you've mistaken for quantisation is actually down to clever use of rhythmic delay (make sure you have a high setting HF. damp), so sounds appear "two stage", kiks are definitely delay free, but with a slight reverb to add colour and help them sit in the mix, try a Lexicon style ambience setting...... the snares often have a slight delay on them giving that two stage effect and the hats have a longish decay, basslines always tend to have a rhythmic delay on them but it is so subtle that it's giving the tune drive without clouding it....... making a trance tune "roll" is often down to smart thinking production by making all the elements of the drums and percussion sit perfectly together, so nothing overtly stands out...... I've listened to Heaven Scent a million times and its DEFINITELY not quantisation that gives that effect, that's delay and smart use of compression for sure......
Now there are some trance tunes around that have a more dramatic shuffle to them try Logic's 16C for an idea but never anything more than that, unless you wanna head for that really groovy tech house effect.....
Laters,
JAWA
Message 12/13 16-Jun-00 @ 06:33 PM - RE: Trance Drums
JAWA I actually worked this out from looking at a tutorial in Future Music about 18 months ago. The tutorial was actually on house and indeed this is not a typical trance drum construction. To my ears most snares in Euro Trance are on beats 2 and 4 with no quantisation.
I'd agree that in normal circumstances you can't easily use more than a 16C swing in Logic at the sort of tempos these tracks are written at ie 136-140BPM.
I'm not clear what you mean by trance music. Psy Trance usually runs at a much faster tempo than the Euro stuff with no quantisation. I don't think that Sasha and Digweed play much trance, they tend to talk about deep trance, progressive house etc.
Message 13/13 19-Jun-00 @ 03:42 AM - RE: Trance Drums
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