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Original Message 1/20 19-Jul-00 @ 02:57 PM - Which drum machine for trance ??

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I'm looking to buy a new drum machine. Specially one that can handle nice trance snare sounds and claps. I'm not after the standard 909 shit. It has to be one that has a lot of control over the sound. Some say get a Jomox and others a Korg Electribe. I'm looking for some good advice. All help is welcome.

G.

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Message 2/20 19-Jul-00 @ 04:04 PM - RE: Which drum machine for trance ??

Frostbyte

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get the Xbase 09, 909 & 808 and just about anything in between.

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Message 3/20 19-Jul-00 @ 04:41 PM - RE: Which drum machine for trance ??

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and beyond

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Message 4/20 19-Jul-00 @ 05:19 PM - RE: Which drum machine for trance ??

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Hey Frostbyte, got any info on the Airbase99 ??

G.

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Message 5/20 20-Jul-00 @ 02:34 PM - RE: Which drum machine for trance ??

Frostbyte

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well, the airbase is an expander, so you'll need a sequencer to trig it. If you're already experienced and comfortable with one, get the airbase (more polyphony). If you're just starting, or plan gigging, the xbase (easy "in your face" tweakability) will be great. Hope that helps.

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Message 6/20 21-Jul-00 @ 05:15 AM - RE: Which drum machine for trance ??

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well, i'd have to say first choice'd be a sampler... always. nothwithstanding the same comment that it wont sequence for you as the sequencer part of a drum machine will.. but the sounds and potential library available are huge

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Message 7/20 21-Jul-00 @ 04:32 PM - RE: Which drum machine for trance ??

Frostbyte

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Tought I would be dissident here for a minute

Of course the sampler is a good choice, but the sheer playing pleasure of the xbase is not to be overlooked.
not to mention it's menuless and you can play with it in total darkness without hurting your eyes. I guess it depends what you really want to do, and I can sort that out for anyone, sorry.

chase the light, yeah!

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Message 8/20 21-Jul-00 @ 05:34 PM - RE: Which drum machine for trance ??

Chris...

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What's the Polyphony of the Xbase? Heard it was 3 voices, ouch! Is that true?

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Message 9/20 21-Jul-00 @ 06:08 PM - RE: Which drum machine for trance ??

Frostbyte

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Kick Snare Hi-Hat, yup, that's about it

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Message 10/20 23-Jul-00 @ 05:09 PM - RE: Which drum machine for trance ??

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Sorry guys for the late response, but I was a drum machine hunting ;-) Don't flame me guy's but I ended up buying a Electribe ER-1. You might ask, why in hell did he do that ?? I was lucky to be able to use a Xbase from a guy I know who's on holiday, so I really had the time to check out the machine. My impression is that it's more of a 909 clone. It does have a fat sound, but I couldn't get a decent snare out of it. I couldn't get that 909 "plop" out of the snare (the snare sound you hear in all the drum rolls). Which I did manage in the ER-1. Plus it had a lot more to offer. With the ER-1, I could make a lot more unique drum sounds and it didn't always remind me of a 909, which the Xbase did. I might add that it's also a matter of taste and I don't want to start a flame war over it. I want to thank you all for your help and advice.

G.

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Message 11/20 23-Jul-00 @ 06:15 PM - RE: Which drum machine for trance ??

Frostbyte

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No flame war for sure man. You actually did the right thing. Tried before you buy and trusted you ears. The only way really. How did you like the kick on the xbase, as you don't mention it. I actually like the snare, it makes nice tension build ups going nuts with the xsnap and decay. I'm also curious of the Er-1, might get one to complement (unless I can psyche my friend into lending me his 808

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Message 12/20 25-Jul-00 @ 04:01 PM - RE: Which drum machine for trance ??

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I must say that kick on the Xbase was one of it stronger features, but to be honest I wasn't really crazy about the snare. I couldn't get more than a 909 snare out of it (good for drum-rolls though) The ER can do those and beyond and that is what I was looking for. Plus it can also do spacey and really wierd shit too, which is a real bonus. I would surely give it a try and it doesn't cost that much

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Message 13/20 01-Aug-00 @ 03:12 PM - RE: Which drum machine for trance ??

ggehiere

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I've tried the ER-1, and it is a phat machine. It's
very analogue feeling, and it kicks the pants off
sampled drums like the Mc-303.

Has anyone tried the Navation DrumStation? I know alot
of trance artists use it, but I haven't tried it yet,
myself. I've sort of had it in mind as my dream drum
machine, because there's alot of control.

For the record, I use the Mc-303 and sampled hits
scavenged from records (and no one has noticed yet!) I
think overall, I make do, but I want more control, like
the sound of open hihats closing, and cutoff.

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Message 14/20 02-Aug-00 @ 04:41 AM - RE: Which drum machine for trance ??

Jasper

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there aint no cutoff on the d/station. to be honest compared the the jomox airbass it looks a bit dated.. although it has got all the controls.. but you won't use like 95% of em during a track anyway. and I'm a real tweaker.

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Message 15/20 02-Aug-00 @ 08:13 AM - RE: Which drum machine for trance ??

ggehiere

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Is there a web address where I can check out the
airbase? Thanks. (Local music store sucks. Synth guy
just tries to sell me pirated sample CDs and warez when
I go in, instead of doing his job, which would be to
help me find the gear I want and sell it to me

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Message 16/20 02-Aug-00 @ 10:26 AM - RE: Which drum machine for trance ??

Jasper

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do a search in the main section and this for some info.. it's been discussed quite a bit and some usefull info is buried there.

it aint got the controls of the drumstation though.. but you have a lot more things you can do.. it's pretty new so up to date whereas the d/station is 3 or 4 years old.

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Message 17/20 02-Aug-00 @ 05:27 PM - RE: Which drum machine for trance ??

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yeah, but trust me, sampler.. cos you can get anything froma the hardest techno or industrial sounds to garage & rnb kits & loops galore, plus there is no style of dance i can think of that cant benefit from a sam.. sorry,... smapler being added as a second reason in itself... i'd go for a 'drumsound synth' second always cos you are restricted to analog style sounds, however if thats the pallette you need go for it

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Message 18/20 03-Aug-00 @ 04:09 PM - RE: Which drum machine for trance ??

raver

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I have a drumstation and it rocks. The only thing is sometimes the kick sounds umm.. to upfront...if that makes sense...but I think that is just that I'm mixing it in wrong...dunno...can some explain to me more about how to control it with midi? The manual really doesn't explain this to well. Thanx!

raver

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Message 19/20 03-Aug-00 @ 05:34 PM - RE: Which drum machine for trance ??

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there is maps on the novation site for various sequencer... you mean to control the parameters of the drums?

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Message 20/20 04-Aug-00 @ 05:56 AM - RE: Which drum machine for trance ??

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this is it with the dstation, if you want to use it without sampling it and messing with the sounds that way you need it to have it's own dedicated compressor/fx unit/decent eq preferably parametric. I bought an old two channel 7 band eq to use with it from cash converters which helped.

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