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Original Message 1/21 20-Jul-00 @ 09:12 AM - Getting a groove

Gee

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A good groove is still eluding me, I think its because what I`m trying to do requires alot more skill.
How should a beginner approach making a Groove, the basics of the basics......I`m desperate to make an amazing groove that loops forever without me getting an impulse to smash the monitors, uh , lets not get carried away,......

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Message 2/21 20-Jul-00 @ 09:45 AM - RE: Getting a groove

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how long have you been doing this? the reason I'm asking is because you can't expect to be able to bang out groove after groove after groove right from the start.. It takes years.. you have to know about a lot more than just what sounds to use and where to put em.

Try this simple but effective idea.. I'm presuming your doing 4 floor stuff here btw.

sort out a snare sound and copy it.. have the copy playing backwards.. now make a pattern with the normal snare.. copy the pattern to the reverse snare and then mess about with where to trigger the reverse ones.. also mess with volume levels of the reverse ones.. hopefully something will click and you might hear something worthwhile..but I aint saying you will right? you've got to experiment and try anything.. also expect defeat because it aint as easy as it sounds.

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Message 3/21 20-Jul-00 @ 09:56 AM - RE: Getting a groove

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what stuff are you using btw.. it'd help us help you if you can explain a bit about what sort of sound you are after.

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Message 4/21 20-Jul-00 @ 12:53 PM - RE: Getting a groove

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learn to play drums, hand drums that is.. take some evening classes.. all styles you can find from samba to african to whatever latin etc... then it'll all come together... i firmly beleive if you can neither dance well or play hand drums you might as well give up, cos that is the basis of every groove in dance...

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Message 5/21 20-Jul-00 @ 10:29 PM - RE: Getting a groove

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i was going to say, learn to play drums as k would suggest, but u beat me to it. right on the money i reckon, u got to have rhthym before u can do anything really. go buy a crappy set of bongos or something, their fun anyway :-)

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Message 6/21 20-Jul-00 @ 11:14 PM - RE: Getting a groove

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i find that you inevatbly end up trying to play the drums anyway, or you just find yourself tappin out rythmns with your pen just trying to get it...
listen to cool stuff, muck around and it might make sense,
at least thats what i've gathered

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Message 7/21 20-Jul-00 @ 11:20 PM - RE: Getting a groove

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Message 8/21 21-Jul-00 @ 06:39 AM - RE: Getting a groove

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Anyone ever hear of midi triggers that you can fix to bongo's ??

I could do with some.

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Message 9/21 22-Jul-00 @ 08:10 AM - RE: Getting a groove

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Thanks, guess I`ll start some evening classes in african drumming, I can dance , so I still have hope,
I`m into techno, hard house,progressive house,techno trance, minimal techno, those wicked question awnser grooves, ....ya`know,
Jaspe you need to get yourself a midi drum pad, which you hook up to your sampler, and you can trigger any sound you want via midi when you strike the drumpad with a drum stick, if I inderstand you correctly....

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Message 10/21 23-Jul-00 @ 11:16 PM - RE: Getting a groove

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dunno about triggers for a bongo, wouldn't triggers designed for a tom or something work? i dunno bugger all about it.

how about this thing percussion pad thing (see link). i want one.

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Message 11/21 24-Jul-00 @ 03:16 AM - RE: Getting a groove

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Fantastic !!!I want to get my hands on one, hopefully soon...

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Message 12/21 24-Jul-00 @ 03:21 AM - RE: Getting a groove

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I know, I know, it looks stupidly simple and it is. Have f# hold for a quarter note and gate the closed H.H. Record whatever you feel like adding on, in real time and quantize at 16 1/3. Step record later (if you do step), build slowly. Trust me, it's a good start. Sometimes when you don't have a groove it's good to give yourself a simple template to work off of, simplify. Go to the base of your idea. If you know the (or a) simple base to start from the rest is at your finger tips. If you don't like this one, make one for yourself. $0.02

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Message 13/21 24-Jul-00 @ 06:10 AM - RE: Getting a groove

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oh baby!

a bit more expensive than I was hoping for though!

the tom triggers sound good though.

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Message 14/21 24-Jul-00 @ 04:56 PM - RE: Getting a groove

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just use a small mic on each drum, if you got two tandy (radio-shak) PZM's, you can remove the plate and you're left with a tiny little mic.. you can fix that with epoxy resin blob inside the drum shell up by the head.

the =cable will trail out.. if you like you can cut the lead, and wire the two parts with a male & female XLR connector to be smart.. otherwqise those tandy PZM's have quite a long thin lead.

ok.. make sure you use 9V pp batteries (see TIPS & TRICKS section for why & how)... ok, then you need a BRAIN unit (which you'd have to buy anyways)... that is where the incoming voltage pulses coming from the mic get translated into midi velocity data, and you set the channel, note number etc... yamaha did an excellent one you can find second hand - those pzm's are like 25-30 quid each in the UK

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Message 15/21 24-Jul-00 @ 05:48 PM - RE: Getting a groove

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what was the yamaha one called?

and how are you managing to get paragraphs? html?

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Message 16/21 25-Jul-00 @ 04:53 PM - RE: Getting a groove

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Dont' you press the carriage return twice...

Anyway bongos sound cool but they cost money, especially the lion skin ones. So i can take it that making a groove with your teeth isn't enough. :P

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Message 17/21 25-Jul-00 @ 06:02 PM - RE: Getting a groove

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I think k's referring to the Yamaha PMC-5 drum trigger converter. 8 xlr pad inputs, MIDI a+b outs, 5 notes max per trigger input, DX7 memory cartridges.
I haven't seen one around for a few years but it is a serious machine. The Akai drum trigger unit is worth about �90 and is far more common in the secondhand shops.

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Message 18/21 25-Jul-00 @ 09:54 PM - RE: Getting a groove

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PAIA has a midi drum brain kit. I think you can use little piezos as triggers, too. That's what was in Simmons. A band I work with that toured some used Simmons (it was the 80s, OK) and we had a box full of Radio Shack piezos and we'd be gluing and soldering those things every couple nights in some crappy hotel roo.

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Message 19/21 25-Jul-00 @ 11:03 PM - RE: Getting a groove

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damn, that wasn't much of an endorsement, was it?

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Message 20/21 26-Jul-00 @ 08:13 AM - RE: Getting a groove

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soldering???????????

i'm there

my lovely fumes

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Message 21/21 26-Jul-00 @ 08:40 PM - RE: Getting a groove

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Does that mean your band was "soldering on"

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