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Subject: EQ'ing bass drum and basslines
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Original Message 1/26 23-Feb-01 @ 07:17 PM - EQ'ing bass drum and basslines
this is geared towards songs with 2 basslines that are working together...
I've heard before that the part of the BD that hits you in the chest is between 100 and 200Hz. Even-handed guy that I am, I usually put a medium-size notch on the sub-bassline at 150Hz, with a cut of 3-5dB, to make room for the bass drum
Also, since I want the sub to come through, I usually roll-off any sub freq's from the bass drum starting about 100Hz using a HPF.
I remain unsatisfied with this approach. It seems too simple, and most times it doesn't get the definition I would like. There has to be something more (better) I can do to increase the definition on the bottom end...
I am hesitant to boost the mids on anything because I'm trying to use another bassline sound above the kick, with little or no sub in it.... d&b heads know what I mean -- that growling HPF'd bassline that keeps whacking your ear while the lower line moves the air....
any comments are welcome.....
Message 3/26 24-Feb-01 @ 06:55 PM - RE: EQ'ing bass drum and basslines
I just keep thinking that there is probably a more sophisticated way to do that EQ'ing, or at least a finishing touch or something... perhaps using the Waves C1 compresser/enhancer settings in combination with some eq.... I'm not really sure what I'm getting at...
maybe there's nothing to get. it might just be I need to use my ears in each individual case, and tweak tweak tweak....
I just thought that 50,000 engineers in 10,000 studios over the past 20 years might have found out some newfangled knob twisting that lets the equip do some the work for you.....
I'm sure those mad d&b scientists have a few tricks they're not revealing...
Message 4/26 24-Feb-01 @ 08:27 PM - RE: EQ'ing bass drum and basslines
The only tip I can give (its a big one though) is to tweak the frequencies while the mix is playing - if you stop the track and tweak, start everything going, stop, tweak again, you get nowhere fast. You've got to listen to the bass in context and make decisions based on that sound, not the sound in isolation.
And from then on, just mess till it sounds right. It's hard to give specifics because each track is different, with different sounds and rhythms - and these lend themselves to different mixing decisions. And EQs are all different in character, different monitoring rigs and so on... quite a problem in pinning anything down.
Message 5/26 27-Feb-01 @ 02:52 PM - RE: EQ'ing bass drum and basslines
Message 6/26 28-Feb-01 @ 07:16 AM - RE: EQ'ing bass drum and basslines
Message 7/26 01-Mar-01 @ 08:31 AM - RE: EQ'ing bass drum and basslines
Ape
Message 8/26 01-Mar-01 @ 10:14 AM - RE: EQ'ing bass drum and basslines
How can you adjust frequencies under 60 if you just can't possibly hear them!!!
Message 9/26 01-Mar-01 @ 06:39 PM - RE: EQ'ing bass drum and basslines
Message 10/26 01-Mar-01 @ 07:21 PM - RE: EQ'ing bass drum and basslines
-Craig
Message 11/26 02-Mar-01 @ 07:48 AM - RE: EQ'ing bass drum and basslines
Usually, the really low basses get cut in the mastering, though. A hi-pass filter on 40-60 hz with a low Q cuts away most of the unnecessary low-frequency information without introducing any artifacts.
Message 12/26 03-Mar-01 @ 02:29 AM - RE: EQ'ing bass drum and basslines
I dont know of any systems that can reproduce 14hz anyway..can they?
Id think that anything below 30 is just eating up headroom. am I wrong?
Message 13/26 03-Mar-01 @ 11:32 AM - RE: EQ'ing bass drum and basslines
Message 14/26 03-Mar-01 @ 07:22 PM - RE: EQ'ing bass drum and basslines
and is there any point in trying to get that much bass in your sounds unless youre going to be played on the most massive and powerful systems?
all this talk about 14hz...just seems so funny to me
30hz would make you puke at huge levels anyway, no?
Message 15/26 04-Mar-01 @ 02:00 AM - RE: EQ'ing bass drum and basslines
or is that a complete lie
Message 16/26 04-Mar-01 @ 04:27 AM - RE: EQ'ing bass drum and basslines
brown noise is a reality
Message 17/26 04-Mar-01 @ 06:58 AM - RE: EQ'ing bass drum and basslines
for reference, low E on a bass guitar is around 42 hz. most people hear the note in the overtones, though.
Message 18/26 04-Mar-01 @ 05:02 PM - RE: EQ'ing bass drum and basslines
doesnt seem that low. hmmm. damballah with the sound knowledge
guess that happens when you get old
Message 19/26 04-Mar-01 @ 05:21 PM - RE: EQ'ing bass drum and basslines
one of the things that happens when you deal with really low tones, is you need to put in some of those upper-harmonics so that people with merely mortal speakers can hear what's going on. I like running subby stuff out into a speaker (and I've got a few crap ones, crap ones are good for this) and miking it. that gives you some speaker compression and new harmonics. roll the low end off the speaker channel, bring it up so you can hear the bassline, then bring in the sub stuff just enough so there's some feel going on.
Message 20/26 04-Mar-01 @ 07:31 PM - RE: EQ'ing bass drum and basslines
Message 21/26 05-Mar-01 @ 12:05 PM - RE: EQ'ing bass drum and basslines
Once i left 20 Khz sinewzve looping at moderate (not very hight) level and left my friend waiting me in my flat while went buying cigarets. When i came back he said that he had a headache and heard wierd "ping" constantly in his head.
I felt terrible.
Headache went away pretty soon after i took the CD out.
Message 22/26 05-Mar-01 @ 08:53 PM - RE: EQ'ing bass drum and basslines
and...no, manufacturers NEVER lie about the performance of their product. especially the expensive ones!
Message 23/26 06-Mar-01 @ 10:55 PM - RE: EQ'ing bass drum and basslines
Message 24/26 21-Mar-01 @ 06:26 PM - RE: EQ'ing bass drum and basslines
Message 25/26 23-Mar-01 @ 05:03 AM - RE: EQ'ing bass drum and basslines
the main rule for drum & bass that shatters walls tho is... no reverb.. or hardly any cos reverb destroys definition and the percieved volume of sounds - this goes for alot of dance - reverb is a killer unless used just right, so try removing it... your tracks might sound 'dry' at home, but roll off the top end crank it up & it bangs like fuck compared to tracks with lots of reverbs on them.... kiks @ around 100hz for the 'energy' the bass 60-80.. 'roll offf' the bass at 20-40hz for low subass or 40-60 for less boomshaka sounds - and try some soft knee subtle comp on the bass unless your already pumping it.. but get into your comp' alot anyways...
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Message 26/26 23-Mar-01 @ 05:05 AM - RE: EQ'ing bass drum and basslines
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