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Original Message 1/19 08-Feb-03 @ 11:46 PM - Here we go again

Broken Silence

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I know I post alot of stuff, but hey at least they're in the right forum. After recently purchasing a new soundcard (Audiophile Delta 2496 M-audio thingie), I installed the new drivers from the site and config stuffs. It is playing everything beautifully and so much better than my old crap crap. Then I boot up logic and get the same message:

PCAV:

System Overload.

The audio engine was not able to process all required data in time.

(-10011)

Any ideas anyone? I have my latency set on 256- I tried moving it around but didn't do much. I only get the error message when I am playing in the arrange window, it popps up every second or so and interupts play. Is anyone familiar with the problem or the similar soundcard?

Thank you guys, I promise this will be the last topic =)

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Message 2/19 09-Feb-03 @ 12:09 AM Edit: 09-Feb-03 | 12:26 AM - RE: Here we go again

milan

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for starters, whats cour cpu clock speed like? and do move the latency to 1024 or something, and see if that helps... obviously your system cannot cope with such a low latency... and, i cant believe you went out and got an audiophile before even trying to sort out your old soundcard!

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Message 3/19 09-Feb-03 @ 01:05 AM - RE: Here we go again

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Well I needed a new soundcard for my nova for the proper inputs, so I had to get one anyways. Also the old soundcard had weird sounds at different volumes.

On the cpu: "Audio" is like really high, red sometimes, but disk i/o never moves...my cpu is p4 2.0gigs, 512 rd ram.

I tried higher latency, but no luck.

Also, it seems to work alright with really small files etc, but with my song (7mins) that I made on it, everytime I play it, it gives me the error message, while I can play small files with the same amount of synths/tracks etc, just not the same amount of matrix data. (If you know what I mean)

I have 15 instruments, 10 are s/w synths (5 are ES2, 1 FM7, 1 ES1, and 7 ESX24 the sampler). I don't think it is the ammount of instruments I am using becuase I can open a different file with the same ammount and work just fine, it only overloads with alot of shit on the arrange screen.

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Message 4/19 09-Feb-03 @ 01:22 AM - RE: Here we go again

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Well, if you are using an Audiophile, you shouldn't get PCAV error messages as the card should have Asio drivers (I think). So you probably need to un-check the PCAV drivers under Logics Audio Hardware and Drivers screen and select the Asio drivers instead.

Regards.

Steve.

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Message 5/19 09-Feb-03 @ 02:02 AM - RE: Here we go again

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Okay, I did that and still it crashes, instead it says AISO: instead of PCAV

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Message 6/19 09-Feb-03 @ 09:58 AM - RE: Here we go again

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Hi,

You may have a corrupt song. This happens from time to time.

Creat an brand new autoload, andd copy all your songs stuff into it.

Also sometimes if you create a song on a certain version of logic then upgrade to another which is a major update (eg 5.0 to 5.2 which is a brand new audio engine) this can cause strange things....

Cheers
Stvy

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Message 7/19 09-Feb-03 @ 12:02 PM - RE: Here we go again

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"it only overloads with alot of shit on the arrange screen"

Is Logic's Scroll In Play activated? Have you tried altering your display settings? Changing the amount of colours (Bit-depth), or Hardware Acceleration etc may be what you're after here.

Regards.

Steve.

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Message 8/19 09-Feb-03 @ 02:59 PM - RE: Here we go again

Broken Silence

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Yeah I may just try reinstalling it- I'd rather not loose all my stuff tho =(

No- scroll in play is not on.

Tried display, but no luck. =(

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Message 9/19 09-Feb-03 @ 05:52 PM - RE: Here we go again

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Sounds like your system is really badly setup. That error doesn't really have much todo with the soundcard its self it's more the system it too taxed same with the audio meter. I would try using less voices on your synths. Less intense effects for playback, then switch to the plat. versions or waves for mix down.

Also look at your video settings. What kind of video card are you running. Are you pushing it too hard? Reduce the resolution and bits. See if this makes a difference on the audio meter.

If these don't seem to help, then is this computer dedicated to audio ? If not and you can't afford to do that get a copy of partition magic and make the system dual boot. Use one for games, Inet, Word proc. and dedicate your self to a few choice apps for audio. Tweak out audio partition you should see better performance.

Once your happy get a copy of Ghost or whatever and back up the whole partition.

Flor

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Message 10/19 09-Feb-03 @ 06:28 PM - RE: Here we go again

milan

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heh... this is a far shot, but can it be the dreaded *denormalisation*? are you running fancy reverbs, delays, and shit? and the crash occurs when there's no sound feeding them?

i'm saying this cause i caught my machine doing this on one track where i'm feeding a reverb from a delay plugin, and as soon as i'm not sending anything into the delay it builds up and overloads. then, when i mute the track which feeds both, the cpu meter drops right down and makes no problems whatsoever.

might not be your problem, but i thought i post this somewhere...

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Message 11/19 10-Feb-03 @ 12:20 AM - RE: Here we go again

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Yeah, that does seem kinda similar milan...I have the max number of effects running- each massivley tweaked and 2 eqs. All of my synths are also maxed voice... I thought it wouldn't matter that much though because my CPU is brand new (2.0gighs 512 RD ram and 128 geforce 4).

No unfortunatley, this cpu is my general cpu, even though I really try to keep it basically for music and music downloading. I do have a copy of partition magic lying around somewhere, and that seems like a good idea.

I reinstalled the program, and it hasn't been giving me any shit lately. I'm going to try all that stuff though when I put a track together tomarrow when I have some time.

I know it's a little off topic, but it's still on logic at least:

When logic is initializing my midi ports when I start up, I get this error that says:

(While trying to open MIDI port ""in function"midiOutGetDevCaps", the error "A device ID has been used that is out of range for your system." occured. Make sure that the midi interface is connected and switched on.)

Could this contribute to anything? My midi interface is on and midi works just fine in logic even after that error.

Thanks guys,

Andrew

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Message 12/19 13-Feb-03 @ 02:03 AM - RE: Here we go again

proximus

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Wasn't there some compatibility issues with your Midi Interface drivers and Windows XP?

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Message 13/19 13-Feb-03 @ 09:08 AM - RE: Here we go again

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There was. I had this exact problem. The new BETA drivers sorted it out though. Runs like a dream now.

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Message 14/19 13-Feb-03 @ 09:01 PM - RE: Here we go again

Broken Silence

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Okay cool...ill check them out

My midi interface wants to install itself every time I load up my cpu...but it works in logic...but still gives me that shit every time I start logic too.

Where did you download the beta drivers? I tried downloading some other drivers, but the only ones that worked were on the german site

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Message 15/19 20-Feb-03 @ 08:28 AM - RE: Here we go again

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Okay I reinstalled it...made a partition for it on its own, I have latency high, I changed screen sizes, i even tried muting tracks- still get System overload....it's really starting to piss me off because I can't even work on the simplest tracks- WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON please more ideas and shit to try

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Message 16/19 20-Feb-03 @ 11:31 AM - RE: Here we go again

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so in Logic, where is your card driver added... Logic has TWO soundcard driver tabs in it's audio preferences - on tab1, there is a slot at the top for PCAV (as mentioned above) - on audio driver tab2 there is a slot for ASIO - R U using that one?

I used Logic with midimans EASI driver myself which is emagic's own protocol like asio.

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Message 17/19 20-Feb-03 @ 02:17 PM - RE: Here we go again

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Yes, I'm using the aiso...but i still get the message with easi

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Message 18/19 20-Feb-03 @ 05:26 PM - RE: Here we go again

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Im gonna transfer this forum over to music tech and see if I can get more ideas even from the non-logic heads...it's gonna piss some people off so I apologize in advance

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Message 19/19 20-Feb-03 @ 08:25 PM - RE: Here we go again

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It sounds to me like it only happens when you have a lot of stuff on screen.
Graphics cards take up a LOT of CPU when drawing images...turn down hardware acceleration in windows (won�t make any diffrence in games)
And also, it could be denormalization happening, there are plugs that uses very low noise to avoid this, specially created for the denorm issue. Try DigitalFishPhones denorm plugin.

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