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Original Message 1/9 22-Mar-03 @ 11:40 PM - enhance samples

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ok.. I have a live-recording with 'this superb drumloop' I want to sample.
Live performances is usually recorded with microphones and so is this one. So the sound is very "spreaded" if you know what I mean.. It has this characteristic live-sound that I want to get rid of a little bit (fortunately there is no one in the audience making noises during this drumloop).

When I convert this sample to mono, it's sounds awful - like if it was in 8 khz or something. Dunno why?
Though I have no objection about using this sample in stereo anyway.

But is there any good way to enhance the sound a bit? Closer to a studio sound, to get the sound more "focused"? that makes this sample less "big sounding"??

I'm sure that I'm not the first one with this thoughts

Thanks in advance

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Message 2/9 22-Mar-03 @ 11:54 PM - RE: enhance samples

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i guess your problems with mono summing is due to phase problems in the original recording which arent noticable in stereo due to mics being hard panned left and right. have you tried using just L or R side of the loop?

i also guess you want to remove some of the ambience from the original recording? not sure how i'd go about that one... not easy generaly speaking. maybe some subtle expanding to make the decay, and hence the ambience quieter. then again, that depends on how bussy the playing is...

regarding controlling the sound, well, carefull equalistation and compression as always, of course i cant tell without hearing your loop... hopefully you'll think of something...

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Message 3/9 23-Mar-03 @ 12:52 AM - RE: enhance samples

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If I hadn't ed up my dancetech user password (and I'm not sitting at my regular 'DT-computer' at the moment) I would have uploaded the drumloop.

It's definately phase-problems I'm having. In mono it's lo-fi and flanging. And I have tried both L and R side but the result isn't good enough (too much perfectionism maybe

But each channel alone lacks in the treble range. Though, together in stereo - all frequencies are "available". It must be a ed up live-recording I have got myself

I want to get rid of the ambience and still keep the sound in decent quality, Hehe isn't there any "anti-reverb" processors available..

Good point about the deacay, next time I have Recycle available I will see if it makes me happier with the loop

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Message 4/9 23-Mar-03 @ 12:59 AM - RE: enhance samples

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Oh I forgot that this forum doesnt allow some 'useful words'. Please read my 'ed' as f * u * c * k

goodnight

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Message 5/9 23-Mar-03 @ 01:10 AM - RE: enhance samples

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you can fucking swear when you're fucking logged in.

Hey, try this: Load each side of the sample onto seperate tracks in whatever and shift one of them forwards and backwards by a sample or two at a time. Perhaps you can correct much of the phase shift, or at the very least find a better-sounding set of frequencies for your pseudo comb filter.

As far as stereo image size, try panning the two tracks at, say, 2 and 10 o'clock to reduce the image size without completely phasing out too much of the loop. Also try experimenting with a compressed mono version mixed in.

good luck

psy

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Message 6/9 23-Mar-03 @ 05:08 AM - RE: enhance samples

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how about gating it? or even chopping it up in an editor and killing the tails?

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Message 7/9 23-Mar-03 @ 06:55 AM - RE: enhance samples

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in soundforge try compressor..the one where you can compress by frequency (multi-dynamics?)... maybe you can try limiting based on frequency.

also... try noise cancellation.. there was a topic on this awhile back.. but in sforge you can sample some of the ambience (i imagine you could between the drum hits) and then use that as the source for cancel.

umm... i'm not too hardcore about sampling tech so i'm sorry if i'm way off... but i believe this *might* help.

so... hope it does!

-j

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Message 8/9 24-Mar-03 @ 05:51 PM - RE: enhance samples

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Thanks for all the answers. All of them seems to make sense in enhancing the sample. Now it's just up to me to actually check which method that suits my ears best.

Regards DT'ers

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Message 9/9 24-Mar-03 @ 07:21 PM - RE: enhance samples

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REALLY thinkin that a gate would do it...

in cubase SX theres a "detect silence" function...its a gate but it then chops up the audio into parts which you can move around to other tracks, etc...and you could compress them to get em more punchy soundin. might sound really cool trimmin the ambience and shit!

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