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Original Message 1/41 04-Aug-03 @ 04:18 AM - reason beware

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Brand new virtual studio progie that's ALOT like reason..check the pics

Also, it's only 79$-

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Message 2/41 04-Aug-03 @ 04:20 AM - RE: reason beware

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...and the dude did a remix of the final fantasy 3 theme!!

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Message 3/41 05-Aug-03 @ 05:21 AM - RE: reason beware

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um, yeah. they totally bit the props design.

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Message 4/41 05-Aug-03 @ 05:42 AM - RE: reason beware

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looks like a fuckin copyright infringement to me.

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Message 5/41 05-Aug-03 @ 06:03 AM - RE: reason beware

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Well, to be fair, who owns the copyright on the rackmount/patchcord paradigm?

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Message 6/41 05-Aug-03 @ 06:06 AM - RE: reason beware

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no but did you take a look at the GRAPHICS?

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Message 7/41 05-Aug-03 @ 06:18 AM - RE: reason beware

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well who owns the copyright on cheesy hacker fonts?

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Message 8/41 05-Aug-03 @ 09:14 AM - RE: reason beware

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the sequencer grid is a bit cheeky-copy

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Message 9/41 05-Aug-03 @ 01:22 PM - RE: reason beware

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anyone figure out how to make the sequencer sequence internal stuff or is that for external midi gear only?

also those output sockets ... they flash when you click them... but...

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Message 10/41 05-Aug-03 @ 09:55 PM - RE: reason beware

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Looks like a gimmick.

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Message 11/41 07-Aug-03 @ 10:13 AM - RE: reason beware

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Perhaps you'd want to see my explanation for this:

http://www.reasonstation.net/board/viewtopic.phtml?topic=22730&forum=13&start=0

Right now, the proggie isn't a great competition, but if I get enough support, I'll make it one of the best. Dreamer might seem dull, but I see you only view the snapshots. If you try it, you'll see that it's lightning-fast in DSP, and makes editing much easier even on slow cpus. But I guess you don't care about those 'transparent' things. Oh well...

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Message 12/41 07-Aug-03 @ 12:32 PM - RE: reason beware

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my problems with it is that

1. the time-out is unrequired and happens just when you start to get into it and gives a feeling of irritation towards the programme.

2. no dialog for audio drivers, I set latency to 11ms on the display but it's more like 750ms, no ability to choose audio driver

3. NO help at all, my 'help file' menu item does nothing.

& it locked win XP when i tried to open HELP to a hard reboot which has never happened before with any programme.

I think your generaTORS NEED 2 SCREEN... a flip screen... one for the settings and one of the sequencer with a flip-switch or something. That way both the parameters settings and the sequencer would both have bigger displays, easier to read.

How do those comments grab you

without a help file it's hard to get to grips with for details I find... I like the overall look etc tho.

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Message 13/41 07-Aug-03 @ 12:33 PM - RE: reason beware

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hmm... now the help is working when opened without the actual programme being open. I'll try them together again

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Message 14/41 07-Aug-03 @ 12:45 PM - RE: reason beware

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nope - it locked the machine again... any ideas why?.. I can't even CTRL/ALT/DEL out of it... have to reset the pc. No probs with other apps on this pc, and to hard-boot a PC running XP is very unusual.

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Message 15/41 07-Aug-03 @ 02:12 PM - RE: reason beware

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the code for that is simple, and it executes the "dreamer.chm", but does not specify a directory. I haven't received reports about such a thing, and I'm sure everybody had opened the help file. DR uses the main driver you've selected in ControlPanel->Multimedia. Ain't that obvious? You have a bad DS driver.
20 minutes limit... why not blame pheads for such a thing, too. there's a reason for these 20 mins.

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Message 16/41 07-Aug-03 @ 03:15 PM - RE: reason beware

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what's the reason then? as far as i can tell it will only annoy people trying to get a feel for it. it does seem a little short to me.

anyway, i'm never gonna get into these types of programs, too much information on the screen at once, if i wanted a rack i'd get a real one. what i like about software is the flexibility to work as you want to not being tied down to little knobs and buttons on rack units. new wheels, please.

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Message 17/41 07-Aug-03 @ 04:08 PM - RE: reason beware

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"Ain't that obvious?"

no, although I asked myself afterwards if it was the settings in control-panel... you should be aware that newbies will be your main target buyers as I'd say that the established 'old-timers' will be into whatever they are into, logic,SX, SONAR, fl-PRO, ORION-PLAT, REASON, Project5 or whatever.... so imo, better 'obvious' help would be a bonus perhaps?

I need to spend more time with it myself which brings us to point2

the time limit i cant see being a deterent to cracking or is there some arcane thing that cant be cracked with it?... besides, crackers use a registered copy which eventualy will be out there if not already.... You can't stop cracking as large corporations' attempts have shown, better to have a loyal user base me-thinks

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Message 18/41 07-Aug-03 @ 04:11 PM - RE: reason beware

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dude if you're gonna be like this on all your "tech support" then you're not gonna get alot of people buying your shit.

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Message 19/41 07-Aug-03 @ 06:43 PM - RE: reason beware

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I'm not answering on tech support in this way.

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Message 20/41 07-Aug-03 @ 07:31 PM - RE: reason beware

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huff huff huff

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Message 21/41 07-Aug-03 @ 08:00 PM - RE: reason beware

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I think these are valid criticisms anyways... the constructive ones that is

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Message 22/41 07-Aug-03 @ 08:39 PM - RE: reason beware

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hilarious!

you totally rip off the design of reason, and then you get all huffy about shit.

crazy

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Message 23/41 08-Aug-03 @ 12:18 PM - RE: reason beware

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but he does say in the helpfile text that the 'copy' (if you want to call it that), is so that it's familiar to use, rather than creating a completely unique & new design which would require more learning curve.

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Message 24/41 08-Aug-03 @ 03:00 PM - RE: reason beware

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I'm just saying, if you don't like this, then you're gonna ing hate tech support.

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Message 25/41 08-Aug-03 @ 06:53 PM - RE: reason beware

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ok...copy for ease of use. yes. right. gotcha

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Message 26/41 08-Aug-03 @ 07:43 PM - RE: reason beware

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however, that doesnt mean Prop'heads lawyers will see it that way... they might pull him up on the sequencer grid design, but not the rest

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Message 27/41 11-Aug-03 @ 05:31 AM - RE: reason beware

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You cannot read posts to this forum, because you haven't bought Dreamer OR you haven't registered your copy yet.

HAHAHAHA!

Ha!

ha

*cough

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Message 28/41 11-Aug-03 @ 01:55 PM - RE: reason beware

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the mixer looks good...

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I had an idea for a script once. It's basically Jaws except when the guys in the boat are going after Jaws, they look around and there's an even bigger Jaws. The guys have to team up with Jaws to get Bigger Jaws.... I call it... Big Jaws!!!

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Message 29/41 11-Aug-03 @ 01:57 PM - RE: reason beware

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btw - the forum just needs a registration - I dodn't see anything about having to buy the product or register it?

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Message 30/41 11-Aug-03 @ 09:11 PM - RE: reason beware

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hmm -the message in italics is what I got when I tried to snoop the forums. You need to be able to at least hear what people think of the proggie before buying it- the forums shouldn't be a little club for people who own it.

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Message 31/41 13-Aug-03 @ 02:10 PM - RE: reason beware

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you can access the forums no problem, only about 10 threads on there though, and even less posts.

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Message 32/41 13-Aug-03 @ 06:32 PM - RE: reason beware

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"You need to be able to at least hear what people think of the proggie before buying it- the forums shouldn't be a little club for people who own it."

Kind of reminds me of Fruity Loops. I wasn't ever really into the whole software studio thing, but had considered buying it because it was cheap and just to add a different workflow to my set-up for when I was bored. But the whole closed forum thing and seeing how the developers would go to other forums and talk sh it and get in fights with people who complained about FL's just turned me off.

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Message 33/41 14-Aug-03 @ 11:55 AM - RE: reason beware

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it's been updated apparently

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Message 34/41 14-Aug-03 @ 12:27 PM - RE: reason beware

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installed the update... again, after a few minutes ONLY when clicking on outputs it locked up the whole pc and I had to hard boot it.

opened it again after re-boot, STOPPED it playing, opened IE and went to this site, went to re-activate the already open help file and it locked the machine again to a hard-boot

I have some criticisms regardless of that lock-up:

1. the OUTPUT sockets etc seem to do nothing visualy... you REALLY need a proper display to show a connection has been made as currently it's mumbo-jumbo

2. I cant see ANY way to make the sequencer follow the song

3. the control area below the sequencer shows VELOCITY... anything else?... how would you edit controllers?

4. snap on the sequencer... cant find any key combination that allows fine adjustments of the midi note, only seems to snap to the default grid (1/4, 16ths etc) so how would you slip notes along a bit or back a bit?

I feel you have a potentialy great product, CPU use is negligable (IF the CPU-USE display is accurate)... Dancetech would plug it, IF it was more logical in layout

however, the constant locking-up of the test PC isnt good... and before you come back with complaints about my test pc... it runs EVERY OTHER PROGRAMME fine.

The correct drivers ARE assigned in the control-panel, but still it locks the PC... even when DREAMER is NOT running (XP PRO), trying to switch to the already open help file before an IE window was fully loaded locked the whole PC... You might say... "Well dont switch screens while IE is loading... ok, that's something to say, but it shouldnt lock up totaly a win xp pro box.. NOTHING I've ever encountered locks a win xp computer - and that's with using a miriad of programmes, music & otherwise, across 5 XP MACHINES on our network running for over a year.

I'd like to see more clarity in the programme, Using patching doesnt show what's happening, you just seem to end up with a flashing output socket but there's no proper visual cue to show what's happening

i also think the test demo file which opens is too big, and it's appaling music which will definately make the s/w look bad because the music it emits is truly terrible.

I think it should open with a decent bit of techno or whatever with just ONE drumbox, ONE synth & ONE sampler - one of each basic item.. clear and easy to follow.

does that all sound fair to you?

btw... other softs like PROJECT5 etc also need time to get to know, so these criticism's arent getting at DREAMER... BUT I've been doing this for years, and every programme I try, I can always get the basic's working & figured out without a manual if it's any good... I never found a proggy I couldnt 'work' basicaly within an hour, all down apart from the more 'in-depth' bits... but this evaluation time-out is a BIG block to that.

In my case I can never get anywhere with DREAMER before it kills my test PC... so it's impossible to learn.. I ALWAYS get a dead pc within 3 or 4 minutes of booting DREAMER, so I'm getting nowhere with it fast!

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Message 35/41 14-Aug-03 @ 01:04 PM - RE: reason beware

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well, I seem to have found the issue....

again it locked the pc.... I had DREAMER open, but NOT running - with just a single synth in the rack & nothing else.

I clicked and a drop-down menu appeared (the one for note commands on the synth's sequencer grid)

a phone call came in and I switched to Windows NOTEPAD which was minimised on the toolbar.... as i clicked on notepad on the taskbar, the menu in dreamer had not retracted, and it locked up the pc

so it seems, DREAMER wont 'let go' of the computer, and if you try to do anything while DREAMER is in the middle of ANY function (even closing a pop-up menu) it will lock the machine and wont 'let go'

any idea's why?

I've had 8 hard-boot's already this morning - I opened DREAMER 8 times and within 3-4 minutes EACH TIME, ended up hard-re-booting the PC with the restart button

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Message 36/41 14-Aug-03 @ 04:47 PM - RE: reason beware

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Ultrano-

^^those are some great suggestions from K- don't see them as an attack, they really can help your proggie (never tried it, but it seems pretty cool).

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Message 37/41 15-Aug-03 @ 02:02 AM - RE: reason beware

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what's cheezing me off is I cant spend more then 3 minutes with the blasted s/w before it kills my computer!

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Message 38/41 15-Aug-03 @ 12:24 PM - RE: reason beware

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..and it seems like ultrano has had enough of responding to all this useful feedback...

Best of luck to you mate..

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Message 39/41 16-Aug-03 @ 11:26 AM - RE: reason beware

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well mebbe he's on holiday (it is that time of year) - the mixer came now with the latest version... But i cvannot figure out why it's freezing like that - I'll try it on another pc mebbe? - at the moment it's freezing an athlon 1200 with XP Pro & a Gigastation asio2 driver card which works ok with other s/w's... I could try it on the 2ghz athlon with staudio card... but it does this freeze even if not running/playing as noted above. It seems to be locking the bus if it has ANY slight function uncompleted even graphic's functions, before you click anything else... even another part/function of the s/w itself...

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Message 40/41 29-Aug-03 @ 04:00 PM - RE: reason beware

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Reason sounds like a fricken kazoo anyhow, who'd want to model anything after it? Make good use of your ideas and produce new VSTi's.

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Message 41/41 29-Aug-03 @ 06:43 PM - RE: reason beware

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you are so totally right. to get reason to sound good you've got to look beyond the presets and soundbank. and who's got time for that when they're busy scrolling through presets, and downloading new software to talk about online?

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