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Original Message 1/16 15-Dec-03 @ 09:45 PM - I need help w/ my DnB mixdowns!!!!!

crisisrecordings

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I'm using a Yamaha 01v digital board.......I have an outboard analog eq that I sometimes run my drums through, but they still don't have the snap that I want.
My tunes sound clean but they don't sound like DnB records..... I have killer tunes that would tear but they don't sound good enough.... Do I need a different mixing desk?......Analog?.....What about compression and what freq. should I be eq-ing my bass at?...... My engineer went to school for mixing but we can't get it right......I just want my stuff to sound like UK DnB wax....Any help at all would be greatly appreciated.......Dj Fakt - CRISIS

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Message 2/16 17-Dec-03 @ 12:57 PM - RE: I need help w/ my DnB mixdowns!!!!!

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Yea, you can't overdrive the channels on a digital desk. Yes you need to group the drums and send them through a stereo compressor and EQing is important. Plus you need to be using a good sound source for your drums to start with. There is no point in trying to polish a turd. There is loads of stuff to do when it comes to producing. Plus mastering helps loads. If you can be more precise in where the problems are, I might be able to help you more.

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Message 3/16 17-Dec-03 @ 04:47 PM - RE: I need help w/ my DnB mixdowns!!!!!

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you can actually overdrive stuff on all yamaha digital mixers via analog in's, since the gain stage is before the a/d conversion, just so you know.

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Message 4/16 18-Dec-03 @ 09:15 AM - RE: I need help w/ my DnB mixdowns!!!!!

Dominic

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But Milan monitoring back the sound is post A/D convertors?

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Message 5/16 18-Dec-03 @ 09:34 AM Edit: 18-Dec-03 | 10:29 AM - RE: I need help w/ my DnB mixdowns!!!!!

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he's saying if you overdrive your pre and bring down the channel fader pre-a/d so as not to clip the actual conversion, you will successfully record analog distortion without digital distortion. How it would sound with yamaha pres.... eh...

The question is, can you actually do this on "all yamaha digital mixers"... or does the pre feed right into the A/D? Is there an analog insert point? what about the EQ?

oh shit, a bit off topic... anyway, yeah, ya gotta be more specific about what ya need.

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Message 6/16 18-Dec-03 @ 12:20 PM - RE: I need help w/ my DnB mixdowns!!!!!

milan

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nonono no no no... i was just saying that if you overdrive the mic/line inputs on yamaha mixer you'll get analog distortion, pre a/d conversion and everything else. how does it sound? so-so to be honest, not like a nice preamp or input of a lexicon fx unit (those work really for overdriving, especially cheaper models!), but still better than distorting mackie pre's which sounds like someone farting really.

Dominic... yeah, you wont have it if you go thru ADAT boart, you'd have to use analog in's.

i'm not really saying anything specific here or giving you a producing tip... just saying it can be done...

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Message 7/16 18-Dec-03 @ 09:01 PM - RE: I need help w/ my DnB mixdowns!!!!!

newtimecomplex

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This isn't a gain structure question. Just looking for EQ and compression suggestions for drums groups and bass lines(under 75Hz) and standard overall compression for the stereo bus. Looking for some nice snap on the snares and warm b-lines! Thanks

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Message 8/16 24-Dec-03 @ 01:41 AM - RE: I need help w/ my DnB mixdowns!!!!!

crisisrecordings

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I just want to know some freq.s for the bass and snare.......those are the two that usually frustrate me the most.......also, what about compression?......

Thanks Dj Fakt----CRISIS crisisrecordings@yahoo.com

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Message 9/16 25-Dec-03 @ 07:17 PM - RE: I need help w/ my DnB mixdowns!!!!!

Dominic

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Depends on the style of bass but a (very) rough guide would be to boost 80hz, cut 280-350hz, boost 800hz and cut 10-12k. On my snares (and claps) I cut 80hz, boost 250hz, boost 2.5-3k and cut 12K. You can be more precise on say a plug in eq but I'm using the eq's on my 32.8.8 mackie so that's why I give the regions above.

It also depends on the drum sounds you use cos some people say that if you get the right sound to start with all you should need to do is "cut" freq with the eq. The above is just "MY" experience.

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Message 10/16 28-Dec-03 @ 09:43 PM - RE: I need help w/ my DnB mixdowns!!!!!

crisisrecordings

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ok......what about compression on sub basses?.....compression on stereo out?

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Message 11/16 29-Dec-03 @ 10:08 AM Edit: 29-Dec-03 | 10:10 AM - RE: I need help w/ my DnB mixdowns!!!!!

dARKSTATe

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Too much compression can be a BAD thing... everything in moderation, my grandpappy told me..

I'm guessing you've gotta go back to your original mix and look at the audio structure of that... are your various drum components routed to individual tracks (w/ individual EQ, compression etc.)? Are these all then grouped into a kit? Are you applying additional processing at this stage? How does one approach differ from the other?

It isn't always a case of just suggesting freqs, attacktimes, ratios etc. and of course different desks, eqs all have differing responses so what works on Dominics Mackie may prove to be useless on your Yammy... and then of coz we've not even begun to talk about how mastering could affect the overall sound of the track you're putting down to media... Learn to trust your ears (if you don't already)

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Message 12/16 29-Dec-03 @ 09:52 PM - RE: I need help w/ my DnB mixdowns!!!!!

crisisrecordings

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Yeah, I'm separating all of the sounds......Kick on one ch., Snare on one ch., etc.
We have been running our drums to an outboard analog eq and then bringing
them back to the desk. And we've been trying to compress the drums together
also......Let me rephrase that...... we group the drums---send 'em to the analog eq---and compress 'em on the return....... the only mastering we've done is a bit
on pro-tools .......if you call that mastering

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Message 13/16 30-Dec-03 @ 09:05 AM - RE: I need help w/ my DnB mixdowns!!!!!

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Gotcha. Do you have the signal path to be able to compress and possibly EQ individual drum components BEFORE grouping them down? If not, give it a go... if you've already tried, how did you find the results?

Generally I tend to find that if you've got the signal path available (not a problem within something computer based like SX, but possibly more of an issue in the "real world") AND the time to set it all up, this does give you significantly more scope to manipulate the sound of your drums within the "kit" first of all, and then equally as importantly, the scope to get your "kit" sitting better in the mix with those elements you're looking for like punch in certain contexts etc.

With regards to "mastering", how much are you finding your "mastered" mix in Pro Tools varies from the original mixdown that you're working with.. the old adage goes that "you can't polish a turd", so your master isn't going to cut it or fix any glaring problems if the mixdown itself isn't right first..

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Message 14/16 31-Dec-03 @ 12:01 AM - RE: I need help w/ my DnB mixdowns!!!!!

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I appreciate all the help......Ima get some of the new stuff up in a while and you just tell me what you think we should do........Happy New Year.........CRISIS

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Message 15/16 06-Jan-04 @ 10:33 AM - RE: I need help w/ my DnB mixdowns!!!!!

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Message 16/16 13-Jan-04 @ 12:47 AM - RE: I need help w/ my DnB mixdowns!!!!!

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Yeah, give me a couple days and I'll do it ..........It's the 12th now so...........

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