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Subject: chords, fifths,... question.
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Original Message 1/13 09-Nov-97 @ 05:58 PM - chords, fifths,... question.
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I recently got interested in creating music (purely for fun), and have been playing around with various audio tools and hardware, but I'm actually more or less a beginner.
One thing that keeps on bothering me is that I can't seem to find any decent info about chords! This might seem weird to you, but I'd like to know how to use them, what they are (how come some combination of notes works and another doesn't), what a 'chord-progression' is (often read it in Future Music), how to use them, which ones go together,...
The only thing I know about them is that they're series of notes that sound good together, and that's about it, I can't seem to get enough insigt in them (if you could call it that) to be able to use them in wy own productions (which I'd rather still call experiments at the moment).
Might be a bit weird question, but any info or help is appreciated.
PH.
One thing that keeps on bothering me is that I can't seem to find any decent info about chords! This might seem weird to you, but I'd like to know how to use them, what they are (how come some combination of notes works and another doesn't), what a 'chord-progression' is (often read it in Future Music), how to use them, which ones go together,...
The only thing I know about them is that they're series of notes that sound good together, and that's about it, I can't seem to get enough insigt in them (if you could call it that) to be able to use them in wy own productions (which I'd rather still call experiments at the moment).
Might be a bit weird question, but any info or help is appreciated.
PH.
Message 2/13 09-Nov-97 @ 11:24 PM - RE: chords, fifths,... question.
Here's a tip: try searching for "music theory" on your search engine. That should give you some shit to get you started. If thats not enough go to your local music store(or bookstore for that matter) and pick up any beginners guitar or piano instruction book.
Message 3/13 10-Nov-97 @ 02:45 PM - RE: chords, fifths,... question.
just keep bashing away on the keyboard, your ear will pick out whats good and whats not. There are of course loads of obvious chords to play like your basic majors, minors, 7ths, shit like that. But you can really frig them around, invert them, change notes within chords and add extra notes. Playing a different bass note to a chord also gives it a different feel and changes the sound quite dramatically. Like the bloke said before me, just get a basic book, learn the easy ones and then experiment. No one can tell you whats a good chord or whats a bad one, its all down to personal taste. Obviously though there are some notes that just do not go, like the ones Orbital use all the bloody time. (only joking lads).
For a starter though, play a G minor chord while playing a G low note. Then play the same chord but play an E flat low note. Thats your typical moody type change, and theres loads of variations like bringing up the last note of the chord from a D to a E flat, then bring your middle note of the chord to a C and play that with either a C or a E flat or a G sharp...blah....blah...blah.......etc... christ is that the time.....
Message 4/13 10-Nov-97 @ 08:15 PM - RE: chords, fifths,... question.
Go to harmony-central.com, and check out the bass
section. Go to the lessons, and load the d/l bassline-
construction tutor (you don't need the slap and tap
lessons, unless you want to play bass...) It will tell
you everything about chords, progressions, basslines,
rhytm, etc, etc, etc... You can also go to the guitar
section and load whatever you think will be usefull...
section. Go to the lessons, and load the d/l bassline-
construction tutor (you don't need the slap and tap
lessons, unless you want to play bass...) It will tell
you everything about chords, progressions, basslines,
rhytm, etc, etc, etc... You can also go to the guitar
section and load whatever you think will be usefull...
Message 5/13 11-Nov-97 @ 11:07 AM - RE: chords, fifths,... question.
I knew nothing about music a few years back either. I used to just find a 5 note chord on the keyboard and base the whole track around that. It kind of worked, I guess, because one of my friends who knows a lot about music started complementing me on chord changes I'd used in a track. I didn't know what he was on about, but apparantly I had some chord changes without knowing what they were.
What I do now is hum a tune in my head, and then go to the keyboard to find the notes. Once I've got it sequenced I then might hum along something different to what I've already got and then add that to the sequence. Actually, I usually start with the chords first, and then add the bass and melodies over the top. It can be anything really. It took me a couple of years to develop a musical ear.
What I do now is hum a tune in my head, and then go to the keyboard to find the notes. Once I've got it sequenced I then might hum along something different to what I've already got and then add that to the sequence. Actually, I usually start with the chords first, and then add the bass and melodies over the top. It can be anything really. It took me a couple of years to develop a musical ear.
Message 6/13 11-Nov-97 @ 11:46 PM - RE: chords, fifths,... question.
yeah, it's hard using yer ears. I've been playing bass
for about two years now, and I'm still having problems
figuering out basslines to some songs... Well, I'm
making progress, cos my guitar player gave me a tape with
some songs, and I immediately found the chords... And I'm
starting to get the hang of improvising... Some people
are born with good ears, others, like I, just have to
develop it. But anyone can do it... You can download Ear-
Power (I can't remember where I got it...) and practise
with that...
By the way, I can't sing a note. Please help!
for about two years now, and I'm still having problems
figuering out basslines to some songs... Well, I'm
making progress, cos my guitar player gave me a tape with
some songs, and I immediately found the chords... And I'm
starting to get the hang of improvising... Some people
are born with good ears, others, like I, just have to
develop it. But anyone can do it... You can download Ear-
Power (I can't remember where I got it...) and practise
with that...
By the way, I can't sing a note. Please help!
Message 7/13 17-Nov-97 @ 08:38 PM - RE: chords, fifths,... question.
Want to play music?
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Get a musiceducation!
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Get a musiceducation!
Message 8/13 18-Nov-97 @ 03:47 AM - RE: chords, fifths,... question.
hey 909! you're the 13 year old kid right? no offense but you don't need a educashion to play music; fact is it might actually get in the way...
Message 9/13 18-Nov-97 @ 05:21 AM - RE: chords, fifths,... question.
er, actually you DO need a musical education to produce music that we might actually consider art. Face it, what most of us here do is not true art, and while pushing boundries stylistically we are not actually helping to drive the actual cultural, as certain artistic periods have done. That's why we make fun of musos, because they're so into these higher callings of true art that they've forgotten how good it is to do things just for entertainment purposes. What dance music is is utilitarian, just as minstrel music had been centuries ago.
I will submit that genius can happen internally or subconsciously, but if it's not driven by conscious motive, then it is merely a phenomenon and not truly genius.
I hate musos
I will submit that genius can happen internally or subconsciously, but if it's not driven by conscious motive, then it is merely a phenomenon and not truly genius.
I hate musos
Message 10/13 18-Nov-97 @ 01:47 PM - RE: chords, fifths,... question.
Does this mean that all synth music cannot be classified as an artform ? What about artists such as Jean-Michel Jarre, Vangelis, Tangerine Dream and Kraftwerk. They use the same equipment as us. Their concept of music is similar, ok we seem to take short cuts like using loops and samples of other peoples work, but at the end of the day if it wasnt groups like Tangerine Dream dance music would not be around.
I've been playing the keyboard since I was 9, I am now 25.
The biggest gig I've performed to is 70,000 people at an outdoor summer festival, where me and a mate performed Jarre covers to a massive laser light show (which I designed and arranged. I go to the pub and get pissed and talk a load of pretencious bollocks about music and lights, I then go to a club and e me nuts off for several hours, then go home and do an "in yer face" track. So what am I (apart from the obvious) ? Am I a muso or am I a sad techno twat ? .... Answers on a post card please.......
P.S I will admit I am a severe Jarre fan, so therefore I am not a techno twat, just a normal twat instead. Plus many other things......
Message 11/13 19-Nov-97 @ 03:19 AM - RE: chords, fifths,... question.
hmmm...but what is TRUE art? i correct myself: music education can take many forms; classroom instruction, book learnin', or sitting around noodling. But to imply that conservatory training is a prerequisite to producing valid artistic statements is to me just a little bit elitist. i have to say i straddle the fence; on the one hand i try to learn as much theory as possible (chords, harmony etc.) but at the end of the day what propels my work is intuition, feel and "does-it-kick-me-in-the-gut". maybe we're all getting just a little bit ahead of ourselves here; 909's original post was you needed education to play music--he didn't actually say art. My bottom line: conservatory trained, street musician or bedroom tweaker--all are capable of making musical statements of value
Message 12/13 19-Nov-97 @ 08:28 AM - RE: chords, fifths,... question.
Right, so here we go: put your hand on your keyboard, thumb on 'C'. if each finger's on a consecutive white key, pinky'll be on 'G', the fifth. Now, pinky on 'C', and index finger's on the lower 'G', the fourth OR inverted fifth. It doesn't matter. In fact, none of this shit matters, it's merely a system that we utilize to communicate music to paper and other musicians.
It helps, especially with organizing your own thoughts. Personally, I love sitting on a train and writing out a song in my head to staff (music) paper without having any instruments around. I also love taking the fat coctail hostess with the big, hairy mole on her eyelid into the lavatory and pumpin' her soppin' yeasty-ass pussy.
It helps, especially with organizing your own thoughts. Personally, I love sitting on a train and writing out a song in my head to staff (music) paper without having any instruments around. I also love taking the fat coctail hostess with the big, hairy mole on her eyelid into the lavatory and pumpin' her soppin' yeasty-ass pussy.
Message 13/13 19-Nov-97 @ 04:51 PM - RE: chords, fifths,... question.
yeah, this discussion could go on forever. There should be no boundaries or limitations. I cant read or write a single note of music. But I can play the most awesome piano solo in a D scale in the whole of the South East of England (well maybe thats a bit big headed). Even if I could read music I'd be buggered trying to write all that down. I am sure that Kenny Kirkland didnt either when he did his awesome solo on Bring On The Night at one of Stings gigs which lasted over 5 minutes (the solo that is, not the gig).
No one can classify what prerequisites are needed for a particular genre of music. Thats what the whole beauty is.
Jean-Michel Jarre did a stint at the Paris Conservatoire only to blow it all out because it was too cold and unfeeling. A bit like my girlfriend really. (but with a tighter arse).
I failed my music exams at school. I got an A+ for my practicle and a "ungraded" for my theory. My practicle was shit hot, but because I couldnt read or write music I failed. But there were people who couldnt fucking write a tune to save their lives getting higher grades because they could draw all these stupid notes onto a piece of paper. So what happens there, whose better, me or the twat.
Love
Father Ted Crilly
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