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Original Message Date: 28-Feb-02 @ 09:02 PM - Why is digital less warm than....
We all hear things like, digital isn't as warm as analog, and while I'm not here to argue that specifically, did you ever think about why that is? Outside of some of the basic physical properties, you'd think the two mediums wouldn't be that divergent.... and in some sense, maybe they're not. Now I'm gonna try a little heresy...
Maybe the reason mixes from analog sounds warmer, more musical, whatever, is: our techniques for recording, mixing, etc., are mostly built and modeled on analog experience. We've learned techniques for, say mic placement, that were establised in the analog realm... maybe we should be evaluating new ways of doing things....?
I mean think about one of the most basic differences between the two mediums, the level meter... Many of us that came from the analog world were sorely surprised to find out we couldn't push the LEDs "past the red" on a digital board... Now once I learned how to use digital LEDs, mt life, and my mixes, sounded better...
I'm not really trying to lay out new "rules" of digital recording/mixing, but just bouncing the idea off you all. If you have any experience with what I'm on about here, by all means share it. If you got a "warm sound" from all digital equipment, what was your methodology? Why do you think it worked that way? If you captured a digital take of a vocalist that just simply shimmers, did you do it the "traditional" (i.e., basically as it's always been done on analog equipment) way, or did you find a technique that is exclusive to digital?
Anyhoos, just some thoughts....
Peace All
Message 61/157 12-Mar-02 @ 03:36 AM - RE: Why is digital less warm than....
mindspawn..I STILL say bullshit until I see it
you are telling me that these guys listened to FINAL mixes and could name all the gear used? or just the mastering?
even if it were just the mastering processors..Id STILL have to see it to believe it. I mean...someone TESTED them?
I find that so hard to believe
ahhh, but Brett could probably do it
Message 62/157 12-Mar-02 @ 06:11 AM - RE: Why is digital less warm than....
So , if the preset is done right you shouldn't be able to tell the riff is coming from a sampler and not the original tone generator. So many of the old timers are using new gear to do the old sounds. Nord electro, and even Reaktor on a laptop. I read this article where this one guy was using the pro-52 over his prophet 5 because it was so authentic, but offer more flexability. I see "q" using a virus and a jp-8000 live instead of trying to lug a jupiter around. The new analog modeling adds that randomness to the sinal that makes analog funkier than a pcm based sound. I think vinatage analog is going to slowly become a novelty and colector item.
Most of those 80's analog sysnths became discontinued because the parts were becoming hard to get and really expensive, like the emu sp-1200 filter chips etc. and the digital route looked cheaper and more eficient for companies in the 80's, and with CD being the new wave. The digital mind set was in. DX-synths, and the wavestation(originally the sequential cirtuits prophetv I think). Wave table and pcm was what pop musicains wanted. And then when we got there everyone started looking back and thinking these synths suck. we have no knobs, no warmth in our bass.
I like the diversity of the synth market today. You really can get a synth for any flavor on a decent budget thanks to anaolg modeling technolgy and hihger bit digital pcm playback and filters. the software is the true music chnaging device, recycle, and the ability to edit and process stuff with such detail and speed. Can yu imagin trying to edit a song and loops on tape with a razor?
Message 63/157 12-Mar-02 @ 09:39 AM - RE: Why is digital less warm than....
And Brett, I have edited songs on tape with a razor... actually I did this as recently as September of 2000...
Peace
Message 64/157 12-Mar-02 @ 09:54 AM - RE: Why is digital less warm than....
Digital is an illusion.
It's gets worse when I watch and see this personally more often...it completely takes the realness and warmness away. It does! except that movies animation um.. "final phantasy".
I suppose i was trying to create a visual idea on digital here..as in relitive terms against music..especially dance stuff. Maybe there is an exception.
But for me...i notice to many computer music makers missing the point on how music should be created.. after listening to loads of records..i can pick out the overall digtal quality of a track...its more of what it represents to me than what is used...something like this...Just a continuing process. awh what the hell is become what it is,.. .
Remeber analog is continous..digital is not..HUmans run on rhthms biologically in nature etc..digital does not yet.. hehe peace
eric
4:51a.m. bedtime!
Message 65/157 12-Mar-02 @ 10:18 AM - RE: Why is digital less warm than....
But hey in ten years we'll have 32/384 and so on until we sample billions of times per second and playback music in our head with a chip so the monitors don't color the sound. pure music digitally deliverd from the artist to your brain.
Message 66/157 12-Mar-02 @ 12:00 PM - RE: Why is digital less warm than....
REALLY. virus, eh?
Message 67/157 12-Mar-02 @ 04:11 PM - RE: Why is digital less warm than....
Message 68/157 12-Mar-02 @ 06:29 PM - RE: Why is digital less warm than....
what are you on about?
wurlitzer is a rhodes type of electric piano, imo with a much nicer sound.
a leslie is a revovling speaker. i think even i would be able to tell the difference between a piano and a revolving speaker. on a good day.
Message 69/157 12-Mar-02 @ 09:04 PM - RE: Why is digital less warm than....
you sure your eyes arent bad? That is quite interesting because"
"Subj: Re: hey
Date: 3/12/02 12:54:45 PM Pacific Standard Time
From: uberzone@*******(uberzone)
To: Nflux1@aol.com
did you ever take a VIRUS on any shows with you?
Dave
no, but I caught many a virus at shows....."
musta been some other guy named Q
Message 70/157 12-Mar-02 @ 09:27 PM - RE: Why is digital less warm than....
Peas
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