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Original Message Date: 28-Feb-02 @ 09:02 PM - Why is digital less warm than....
We all hear things like, digital isn't as warm as analog, and while I'm not here to argue that specifically, did you ever think about why that is? Outside of some of the basic physical properties, you'd think the two mediums wouldn't be that divergent.... and in some sense, maybe they're not. Now I'm gonna try a little heresy...
Maybe the reason mixes from analog sounds warmer, more musical, whatever, is: our techniques for recording, mixing, etc., are mostly built and modeled on analog experience. We've learned techniques for, say mic placement, that were establised in the analog realm... maybe we should be evaluating new ways of doing things....?
I mean think about one of the most basic differences between the two mediums, the level meter... Many of us that came from the analog world were sorely surprised to find out we couldn't push the LEDs "past the red" on a digital board... Now once I learned how to use digital LEDs, mt life, and my mixes, sounded better...
I'm not really trying to lay out new "rules" of digital recording/mixing, but just bouncing the idea off you all. If you have any experience with what I'm on about here, by all means share it. If you got a "warm sound" from all digital equipment, what was your methodology? Why do you think it worked that way? If you captured a digital take of a vocalist that just simply shimmers, did you do it the "traditional" (i.e., basically as it's always been done on analog equipment) way, or did you find a technique that is exclusive to digital?
Anyhoos, just some thoughts....
Peace All
Message 101/157 30-Mar-02 @ 06:42 AM - RE: Why is digital less warm than....
I am missing the ghosts referance, Are you saying they are a good or bad anomaly? I crank my eq's all differant ways on the master buss to expose things like that. I found a low end flutter that was being caused by a hp filter on a loop and fixed it.
and a 50/50 analog digital system? is that what you meant K?
Science is theoretical and thus can be called a philosophy, but it requires facts to prove theories to be a hard science. And though mixing teqniques are scientific and thus a form of engineering, they are more of a soft science that is swayed more by qualitative then quantitative measures. So fact for one engineer is just food for thought to another.
Message 102/157 30-Mar-02 @ 07:50 PM - RE: Why is digital less warm than....
Its when you have the sum of the parts- sometimes a complex pad sound will do it- with all of the harmonies/overtones, other sounds and patterns reveal them selves. K, you said it the best man.
I think it is a beautiful thing. Alot of my sounds and patterns come from this. you "learn them and sequence them in". Once you bring in the new part, it sounds like it was ment to be there.
God I love music.
Message 103/157 30-Mar-02 @ 08:25 PM - RE: Why is digital less warm than....
Message 105/157 31-Mar-02 @ 12:12 AM - RE: Why is digital less warm than....
Peace
Message 106/157 31-Mar-02 @ 04:03 PM - RE: Why is digital less warm than....
Ape
Message 107/157 01-Apr-02 @ 07:48 AM - RE: Why is digital less warm than....
Message 108/157 03-Apr-02 @ 06:27 AM - RE: Why is digital less warm than....
Peace
Message 109/157 03-Apr-02 @ 12:19 PM - RE: Why is digital less warm than....
But yeah, ghosts, wierd shit happening with the compressor (they're good for that sometimes when you tweak them just right or 'wrong' enough), extreme low freq's warbling out highs, and vive versa, wierd harmonics and stuff. There's a time and place for all of it. It's always a case of learning the rules to learn how to properly break them, innit?
Ape
Message 110/157 03-Apr-02 @ 12:29 PM - RE: Why is digital less warm than....
Took a listen to some of yer other bits you had posted, too. Nice work sir, sehr nice work indeed. Your sound is more "you" so to speak than the stuff I heard from you a year or so back. I like the direction you're taking your art. Tasty stuffs....
Peace
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