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Subject: The Return of Togo
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Original Message 1/55 17-Oct-04 @ 02:00 PM - The Return of Togo
Togo Peffin
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Dr. Togo Peffin
Message 2/55 19-Oct-04 @ 02:21 PM - RE: The Return of Togo
though i question the nature of your so-called humor at times....(and the degree to which you've chosen to assault the chart scenery)......
the initial bad-taste fades and/or one just becomes used to it (or one simply assumes it's a temporary situation).
you do remind me a lot of a guy in phoenix i know.
he's mad and brilliant and honest and known to be inflammatory.
musically...there's many similarities.
however....for my tastes...your works tends to be a little intellectually high-minded....
and quirky.
i would encourage you to do more poppy stuff so slower souls like me could become more engaged and feel safe in your warm and tender protection.
i enjoyed listening to several songs this morning (though i'm not sure why)
and chose to vote for
shoulders part 4.
my advice: choose pop music. varese and zappa and all that....
oh yeah....high-minded....i so easily forget.
Message 3/55 20-Oct-04 @ 03:02 PM - RE: The Return of Togo
Togo Peffin
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Togo
Message 4/55 20-Oct-04 @ 03:56 PM - RE: The Return of Togo
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I had an idea for a script once. It's basically Jaws except when the guys in the boat are going after Jaws, they look around and there's an even bigger Jaws. The guys have to team up with Jaws to get Bigger Jaws.... I call it... Big Jaws!!!
Message 5/55 20-Oct-04 @ 04:11 PM - RE: The Return of Togo
you know, me gusta la musica programada just cuz i feel it very primitive, you know everybody loves things when it seems to start. Es un gran desafio para mi encontrar sensaciones, sentimientos y paradigmas en algo tan acotado como la musica programada.
Message 6/55 20-Oct-04 @ 06:08 PM - RE: The Return of Togo
i love good pop... it's just that so few with the acid intelligence actually do it.
there's fun in irony and fun in romance....
fun in intricacy.....
and fun in beating cliches sideways etc.
i liked that alphabet bit.....in helsinki.
Message 7/55 20-Oct-04 @ 06:44 PM - RE: The Return of Togo
though...why do you talk about urself in 3rd person. Like um....
togo no like, togo has a new album? Just for shits and giggles or? It
reminds me of that smegal (prob spelled that wrong) dude from lord of
the rings. whenever I read ur posts I read it with his voice in my
head...kinda spooky actually.
kapok
Message 9/55 20-Oct-04 @ 07:37 PM - RE: The Return of Togo
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I had an idea for a script once. It's basically Jaws except when the guys in the boat are going after Jaws, they look around and there's an even bigger Jaws. The guys have to team up with Jaws to get Bigger Jaws.... I call it... Big Jaws!!!
Message 10/55 21-Oct-04 @ 01:14 AM - RE: The Return of Togo
Togo Peffin
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Oh, yes, why the third person? I don't know. It felt right at the time. Happy?
Hola Horacio - que tal? Gracias por el complimento - te tengo algo en el otro forum.
Por fin ... sorry, finally, MCC. This time real thanks. It's just that your tone is unexpected, that's all. But I'm sure it's not insincere. Shame I don't know how to say the alphabet in Finnish, eh?
Togo
Message 11/55 21-Oct-04 @ 09:17 AM - RE: The Return of Togo
As for your tunes, no speakers here at work but I'll have a squizz at 'em when I get home.. [prepares self for eclectic oddness]
Message 12/55 21-Oct-04 @ 11:07 AM - RE: The Return of Togo
Togo Peffin
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Togo
Message 13/55 21-Oct-04 @ 12:06 PM - RE: The Return of Togo
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I had an idea for a script once. It's basically Jaws except when the guys in the boat are going after Jaws, they look around and there's an even bigger Jaws. The guys have to team up with Jaws to get Bigger Jaws.... I call it... Big Jaws!!!
Message 15/55 21-Oct-04 @ 03:12 PM - RE: The Return of Togo
Message 16/55 21-Oct-04 @ 04:42 PM - RE: The Return of Togo
Togo Peffin
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Message 17/55 21-Oct-04 @ 05:06 PM - RE: The Return of Togo
sometimes it actually revs to a racket.
i remember when i was about 12 or 13 and i was sick and i went with my mom to the navy exchange to get medicine and of course i'm immediately lost in the record department and i find the mothers of invention> we're only in it for the money....for 88 CENTS!!!!!!!
in the bargain-bin.
now that was the best medicine any doctor could've given me in 1970.
my mom said i was obviously faking it.
i said it was simply the power of pop music.....mom.
i still have that record too.
Message 18/55 21-Oct-04 @ 05:30 PM - RE: The Return of Togo
Togo Peffin
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Togo
Message 19/55 21-Oct-04 @ 06:35 PM - RE: The Return of Togo
term I am familiar with maybe u can explain it to me. Hope ur cough
gets better, sound like u got a cold.
kapok
Message 20/55 21-Oct-04 @ 06:54 PM - RE: The Return of Togo
Togo Peffin
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Togo
Message 21/55 21-Oct-04 @ 07:27 PM - RE: The Return of Togo
afford "100's of soft synths"...etc is if I'm rich. I dunno maybe I'm wrong.
Thanks for the translation togo. kapok appreciates it much!
In America when little kids tell their mom "I have to take a shit" they
say instead "I have to go #2"
And there is a phrase for nosey people we have too...It goes like this...
Watch out for #1 (thats u darkstate, u are #1) or u might step in #2
I'm pretty nosey sometimes too so I hear this every once in a
while...it's good advice, maybe u should consider it as I have on many
occasions. cough..cough..dude I think u go me sick man...now I'm
starting to cough...thanks for nothing!!!
kapok
Message 22/55 21-Oct-04 @ 07:31 PM - RE: The Return of Togo
maybe not today's pop but it was intended to reach and connect with the multitudes of beethoven's time and beyond...and i think it did that.
i think anything which consciencely aspires to reach any great number of people for either reasons of love of accessibility..and thusly connectivity...and / or...ahem..the need for personal financial gain....we can consider pop.
the notion certainly transcends genre or period.
for that reason...i think frank zappa and the mothers of invention were a pop-band of sorts...during their day.
the fact we're still occasionally discussing his/their work is testament to that fact.
but yes...i play loosely with the word.
i don't think it has to be the dirty mindless thing radio and 6 record companies have allowed it to be for the last 50+ years.
Message 23/55 21-Oct-04 @ 07:37 PM - RE: The Return of Togo
i wonder if satan's asshole is hairy too ?
Message 24/55 21-Oct-04 @ 10:24 PM - RE: The Return of Togo
Togo Peffin
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And, by the way ....
.....I've no problems with digression, but there are some things I'd rather not have my thread stolen by .... one of those is Satan's arsehole.
Togo
Message 25/55 22-Oct-04 @ 03:52 AM - RE: The Return of Togo
now where were we?
Message 26/55 22-Oct-04 @ 09:22 AM Edit: 22-Oct-04 | 09:40 AM - RE: The Return of Togo
As for giving me little nuggets of information about #1's & #2's, whilst It's quite thoughtful of you to warn me about this and that, its probably less irritating all round if you save your trite little witticisms for someone who gives a shit (heh, you see how I cleverly worked your #2 nonsense in there - how clever of me eh *wink*wink* [slump])
For the record, my calling you on your alleged vast quantities of instruments isn't nosey, uncalled for perhaps, but not nosey..
But that's what happens when you put something like that in a PUBLICALLY VIEWABLE PROFILE.. It *looks* inherantly SHIFTY... (Now you understand what that means, though I did initially say "dodgy", we can put that in a box and move on with our lives..) So mebbe I had a slow day at work yesterday, mebbe I'm in a foul mood with a few minutes to spare by hijacking Togo's thread - so what, I'm spouting mate - another voice on the internet and I won't be the last... You know it, and I know it.. I couldn't care less whether you're a rampant pirate or not, that's between you and your conscience
What I MEANT to say is that if you have 100s of VSTIs etc. then either
a) You're quite well off financially in order to PAY for all of them,
b) You save continually in order to buy them
c) You have generous benefactors who buy them for you
d) You work in a studio and use theirs
e) You use a LOT of freeware
f) You're a synth edit/infinity nut
g) You're a PIRATE/warez freak* (delete as appropriate)
Does *THAT* need translating for ya? Togo, care to assist?
(Oh sorry for thread hijacking by the way..
)
Message 27/55 22-Oct-04 @ 09:53 AM Edit: 22-Oct-04 | 09:56 AM - RE: The Return of Togo
Message 28/55 22-Oct-04 @ 12:32 PM - RE: The Return of Togo
Togo Peffin
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Togo
Message 29/55 22-Oct-04 @ 12:53 PM - RE: The Return of Togo
Hostility where? I see no hostility here...
Message 30/55 22-Oct-04 @ 02:40 PM - RE: The Return of Togo
did you know that , there is an american pop band called papas fritas , its sound something like pop has freed us and mean french fries
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Message 31/55 22-Oct-04 @ 03:40 PM - RE: The Return of Togo
Message 32/55 22-Oct-04 @ 03:45 PM - RE: The Return of Togo
informing others that the next work was horrible, infantile nonsense.
Message 33/55 22-Oct-04 @ 03:49 PM - RE: The Return of Togo
website. oh and my cough is much better, musta been all those bong
tokes... thanks for ur concern...PEACE!!! sorry for jacking ur thread
togo...happens to the best of us.
kapok
Message 34/55 22-Oct-04 @ 04:04 PM Edit: 22-Oct-04 | 04:04 PM - RE: The Return of Togo
And you paid our website a visit? Nice one! I'm not filthy rich (yet) but I hold down an honest job which pays a good salary, so that kit of mine that you've been checking out, has been paid for by my fair hands (Not that there's that much kit anyhow, but I digress) Can you say the same?
As for yer cough, you must be rollin' and tokin' some smoooooooooooooth shit if its helped get rid of it that quicly...
Have fun kid and remember... there's a smart-arse in all of us, its just that some posteriors are smarter than others!!
(There, now you can pass that pithy little witticism on to some one else.. and free of charge too... who says people can't be altruistic on the 'net?!!)
Message 35/55 22-Oct-04 @ 04:19 PM - RE: The Return of Togo
Togo Peffin
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As for the pop thing, I prefer to use the term 'popular music' for Zappa, Dylan et al, reserving 'pop' as a derogatory term for evil pig-dogs like Britney, Justin etc.
Togo
Message 36/55 22-Oct-04 @ 04:37 PM Edit: 22-Oct-04 | 04:43 PM - RE: The Return of Togo
Added to that, I myself am fully cogniscent of the fact that one person's perception of what is witty isn't likely to be anothers, so with that very much in mind, your appraisal matters to me even less...
Its friday afternoon, I'm done for the day and am just killing a few minutes before heading home from work.. that's the only reason I'm not just letting it lie yet..
Boredom, plain and simple.. what's your excuse??
Message 37/55 22-Oct-04 @ 04:46 PM Edit: 22-Oct-04 | 04:48 PM - RE: The Return of Togo
So no doubt you'll come back with another intelligent reply, or Kapok will and I'll either feel obliged to say something in return (out of boredom, or ego or something else) or I'll let this die in piece and walk away chuckling to myself how the people that visit DT for a quick fix and chance to flex their 'net muscles never change.. (round and round the internet wheel goes...)
Changing subject for a second (again) good call on Zappa by the way - did you ever read that article in SoS about his son resurrecting a load of his old projects and reassembling them via some cutting edge AMD based DAW setup?
Message 38/55 22-Oct-04 @ 07:37 PM Edit: 22-Oct-04 | 08:30 PM - RE: The Return of Togo
Message 39/55 22-Oct-04 @ 11:06 PM - RE: The Return of Togo
i think there is many conceptions about pop music is
Message 40/55 23-Oct-04 @ 03:11 PM - RE: The Return of Togo
Togo Peffin
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must be the most oddly named people on earth (Gazza's, sorry, G8's idiotic self-naming doesn't come close). Never heard anything by Dweezil, but does he really need to dig his father's phonic grave? FZ's best works were so perfectly executed and produced anyway. (You might've noticed already, but I'm not really up for a 'net war on my own thread; I save those for the threads of others).
Horacio - tienes razon pero, por favour, no me digas que crees que Justin y los Neptunes son mejores que otros bandes de pop como Queen y los Beach Boys - ellos escribieron canciones complicadas, con mucha variacion. Aunque no me encantan, puedo reconocer que tienen un talento especial, mientras que los Neptunes ..... no me gustan. Puede que tengan el ruido de hoy, pero el ruido de hoy es algo que me molesta.
Togo
Message 41/55 23-Oct-04 @ 04:07 PM - RE: The Return of Togo
o sea no creo que se pueda medir la musica por su simplicidad o su complejidad.
la musica compleja es un atributo del jazz o de la musica progresiva de los 70 que le da mucho valor a la armonia pero poco a la busqueda sonora,pero tambien existen otras aproximaciones.
lo que quiero decir es que en grupos como neptunes o timbaland no hay un enfasis en la cuestion armonica sino mas bien un trabajo sorprendente en el equilibrio de la mezcla, en transmitir pinceladas mas gruesas, en tratar de extraerle un groove a algo tan estatico como las maquinas, en restar en lugar de sumar. i mean, no siempre tenes porque comerte una ensalada de frutas para estar satisfecho, si pensas asi , el sabor de una simple naranja te va a parecer poco y sin embargo....
btw, your español is exelent
Message 42/55 23-Oct-04 @ 04:10 PM - RE: The Return of Togo
Message 43/55 23-Oct-04 @ 04:55 PM - RE: The Return of Togo
Togo Peffin
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Clay - don't be so mean-spirited! Why don't you learn Spanish? After all, you've got about 19 Spanish-speaking countries below you.
Togo
Message 44/55 23-Oct-04 @ 08:16 PM - RE: The Return of Togo
btw , lo hiciste otra vez , tu respuesta a mcc acerca de aprender español porque tiene 19 paises abajo me hizo reir un monton. como ves tenemos un sentido del humor parecido asi que mi manera de apreciar la musica no neceariamente tiene que ser equivocada.
mcc, don't take care, it's only the old battle rock jazz against pop
Message 45/55 24-Oct-04 @ 02:33 AM - RE: The Return of Togo
Togo Peffin
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Togo
Message 46/55 24-Oct-04 @ 02:47 AM - RE: The Return of Togo
one reason i don't speak spanish is so my amigos have to actually speak english
once in awhile....instead of their native mayan or aztec or inca.
spanish was never their native language....though they certainly found it was smart to adopt it in the name of the kings and queens of spain and their ruthless gold-digging henchman...jesus christ and perhaps a sword always at the ready>pointed at their wrists as a little reminder as to what was a suitable language to be speaking.
comprende?
they do...though begrudgingly at times.....especially when i'm allowed to take the time to really explain my meaning.
i'm absolutely sincere in my belief that my compadres will never negotiate a better deal for themselves here in america if they can't fully communicate their needs desires and grievances beyond.....
si senor. no senor.
i know the multi-millionaire customer of mine who chewed me out last week wouldn't have accepted my apologies explanations and me telling him he was being unfair and melodramatic> had i pronounced it to him in spanish.
he has lots of work for someone with a ready command of the requirements and subtleties of an enterprise such as his.
he's agreeable to the manner in which i communicate with him and the fact i barely blinked when he cussed me out last week.
i accept fuck as a proper word....used properly it can express many things sometimes more effectively than other words.
i don't remember you guys mentioning the term....coolero.
is this used in argentina? it's used here A LOT.
i'm not saying spanish is a lesser language....not at all.
especially in a musical context it can be a MOST BEAUTIFUL language.
but it's not my language.
just as i spoke fluent japanese until i was 14 and then i announced i'd no longer speak the language as my mother would never fully learn english were i to coddle her in her native-tongue when she had made a decision to move HERE...where> hello mom....engrish spoken~sank you.
on the 1-on-1 here....if upward is indeed northward....then what i'm saying now is probably the single-most important thing any spanish or asian or african speaking person can grasp and struggle with if they want to know any quality of life beyond pure servitude...unless of course they're arriving with a satchel of money already in hand.
or drugs perhaps.
after all.....this is america.
woohoo...
Message 47/55 24-Oct-04 @ 03:55 AM - RE: The Return of Togo
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As for your amigos, the problem is that they have to adapt like this. If western companies, the modern-day colonists, cared for fair trade, and if there were good opportunities for the people of the nations south of yours, people wouldn't have to head north, unless they really wanted to. I confess that this issue involving NAFTA, immigration etc is complex and I don't fully understand it, but I can see from here that it's a screwed up situation. Surely you agree that it would be better if they didn't have to 'negotiate a better deal' in the way they do?
And, coming from the UK, where the Hispanic community is pretty miniscule outside London, I've never seen the term 'coolero'.
Togo
Message 48/55 24-Oct-04 @ 05:13 AM - RE: The Return of Togo
you can use coolero generally without getting into a fight....but it really depends.
but to counter my own argument...i can see where many of my hispanic friends can easily reject any opportunity to have to hear my multi-millionaire client curse in english or any language after giving solid days of 110% effort. fuck that. he'd rather bust his knuckles up under some car fixing a transmission and arguing and chuckling with his homies in their native=spanish (not inca maya or aztec) and going home and watching some boxing or football or futbol whilst grilling some carne and drinking muchos cervezas. that's the life here.
anyway...i wasn't trying to start an argument ya know....just trying to keep the flow
going.
and yeah...as for my japanese leg which i lost back in the war......
had i not lost that i would've simply worked my way through to the top of some japanese corporate chain....feeling more japanese than american in MANY ways.... but not revealing any trace of an asian gene in my appearance...i would've been an unsettling element in the corporate realm i think.
i think war and battle were just too much a part of me on a molecular level for me to live a happy life as a businessman.
i would've just taken it all too seriously....as all's fair in love and war eh?
i've never regretted taking a different path.
i always knew there'd be no money in making art but i also felt there was little art in living a life where everything was about making money.
but i am happy to say my daughter tomi...who turned 25 yesterday...is a serious working graphic artist in LA doing some very nice things and being paid handsomely for her efforts.
now she's got a drop of the gene peeking through her...but she looks russian or something.
damn....and now she's 25!!!!!!!!!!
Message 49/55 24-Oct-04 @ 05:54 PM - RE: The Return of Togo
coolero is not a usefull term in my country.
mcc iin the place i live people are sons and daugther of european inmigration in first years of 20 century, and spañol is our native language. i think no matter at all language you speak, for try to speak another language is to feel i'm in other place, not real place, i mean , is how when you make music, you are in other place that is not exactly your place.
i like fantasy and imaginary world, as brians wilson said, people'd wants to be in the place where music is.
i haven't a romantic opinion about american "discover", i really hate every way to dominate people, and i think incas or aztecas used to fuck every little tribe they can. don't forget to think about them like empires, of course what spañoles did to him was a shit.
i think some people is crap and some just not.
to blame in americans is too easy in my country, but it will be better if we look at our weakness
btw, i'd love to learn japanese. i love japan culture
Message 50/55 25-Oct-04 @ 12:47 AM - RE: The Return of Togo
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Togo
Message 51/55 25-Oct-04 @ 04:13 AM - RE: The Return of Togo
yeah...sometimes it takes an empire to bring down an empire.
btw...horaccio was the name of my daughter's first real boyfriend.
i always liked that kid. good bass-player...i hope he kept it up.
and okay...you can learn japanese as long as you and togo don't start practicing it here every day.
Message 53/55 25-Oct-04 @ 01:15 PM - RE: The Return of Togo
Argentinian economy is triyng to survive, we are in the point after crisis. we're going up but a lot of fuckers with money (transnational enterprises) are buying the most important natural recourses, Did you know my country is very rich in all types of natural things?
The problem with us is corruption, people are nice but they try to get rich in every way they can.
hey mcc, horacio is a latin name, but my nick is vasco(bsk) btw
is there some work of your daugther tomi at the web? it would be nice to see it.
i love images' world
btw togo, music is not our point, my fave songs of all times is dancin queen by abba
Message 54/55 25-Oct-04 @ 01:59 PM - RE: The Return of Togo
as for tomi....i can't even get her to send me any jpegs this year.
part of that may be she's been newly immersed in working for this company and that since they're paying her for this work...it may actually belong to them and thusly her inability to just shoot off copies in digital form.
most of what she's beein doing is this fusion of almost creepy haunted radiohead children not unreminscent of those french kid-paintings with those huge sad eyes some decades ago.....mixed with a touch of goth and hello kitty. her kids are often post-punkish post-nuclear...usually reflecting angst but also deep hope desire and tenderness. she really does have this gift and her boyfriend who hooked her up with this company did call her a natural-genius.
and he's no schluff either....quite an established graffiti artist in the LA area.
here's his website.
web-link
Message 55/55 25-Oct-04 @ 04:15 PM - RE: The Return of Togo
about tomi you said mixed with a touch of goth and hello kitty, i have to tell you i love to mix innocense icons with other stuff , since i have memory i fall in love with manga anda japanese anime.
btw i'm 37 years old, my wife 28 an we have a little son 5 years(bernjamin).
We live in tres arroyos, a town in the south of pcia. buenos aires.
all my whole life i love pop music though at this time i try to mix poppy things on dancefloor tunes.
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